Evan DeFilippis vs. Center for Disease Control
Sandy Asirvatham As usual it comes down to which sources you trust. NRA believes something entirely different than actual researchers. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/do-we-have-a-gang-problem_b_5071639.html
David W Wooddell Well, NRA is not a credible source for anything except fear and hysteria.
David W Wooddell Well, NRA is not a credible source for anything except fear and hysteria.
George Spicka “As usual it comes down to which sources you trust.”
I read through this article. It indicates that suicides are the greatest cause of gun deaths. The author’s claims are curious though, when compared to the 2013 Center for Disease Control study, as reported by DailyKos:
“Given how the committee authors are responsible for publishing a good deal of the existing scientific literature on gun violence, they are highly qualified to present such a comprehensive summary and suggestions for future research.”
“The committee reported that disparities exist across socio-economic and ethnic groups in overall injury and mortality rates arising from gun violence, and from the occurrence of each type of violence – homicide, suicide, or unintentional - as well. Such disparities are likely to affect the success of any prevention strategies.”
“The committee noted that successful interventions to reduce gunshot injuries requires the involvement of health and public safety organizations, educators, and grass-roots community organizations. Past research has shown mixed results on the effectiveness of interventions that seek to reduce firearm violence. On the issue of Prevention and Intervention Strategies, the committee recommended more research on strategies to reduce the illegal possession of firearms, and reducing criminal access to legally purchased firearms, as well as understand in what ways these interventions impact the overall incidence of gun violence.”
“The committee report noted that existing research shows that making a product safer is much more effective at preventing injuries that trying to change the behaviors of individuals using the product. On firearm technology, the committee report recommended studying how both active and passive firearm technologies can reduce gunshot injury and death, examining past consumer acceptance and use of new safety technologies, and explore the applicability here within the US as a whole of state- and overseas firearm policies.”
“The advancement of research and formulating sound public policy requires solid data that is relevant, credible, and accessible. The committee reported that solid basic data on number and types of guns in America, patterns of gun ownership, gun storage and use, data on the location of guns, and data on gun owners themselves are all lacking.”
http://www.dailykos.com/.../-Center-for-Disease-Control...Center for Disease Control Addresses Gun Violence
I read through this article. It indicates that suicides are the greatest cause of gun deaths. The author’s claims are curious though, when compared to the 2013 Center for Disease Control study, as reported by DailyKos:
“Given how the committee authors are responsible for publishing a good deal of the existing scientific literature on gun violence, they are highly qualified to present such a comprehensive summary and suggestions for future research.”
“The committee reported that disparities exist across socio-economic and ethnic groups in overall injury and mortality rates arising from gun violence, and from the occurrence of each type of violence – homicide, suicide, or unintentional - as well. Such disparities are likely to affect the success of any prevention strategies.”
“The committee noted that successful interventions to reduce gunshot injuries requires the involvement of health and public safety organizations, educators, and grass-roots community organizations. Past research has shown mixed results on the effectiveness of interventions that seek to reduce firearm violence. On the issue of Prevention and Intervention Strategies, the committee recommended more research on strategies to reduce the illegal possession of firearms, and reducing criminal access to legally purchased firearms, as well as understand in what ways these interventions impact the overall incidence of gun violence.”
“The committee report noted that existing research shows that making a product safer is much more effective at preventing injuries that trying to change the behaviors of individuals using the product. On firearm technology, the committee report recommended studying how both active and passive firearm technologies can reduce gunshot injury and death, examining past consumer acceptance and use of new safety technologies, and explore the applicability here within the US as a whole of state- and overseas firearm policies.”
“The advancement of research and formulating sound public policy requires solid data that is relevant, credible, and accessible. The committee reported that solid basic data on number and types of guns in America, patterns of gun ownership, gun storage and use, data on the location of guns, and data on gun owners themselves are all lacking.”
http://www.dailykos.com/.../-Center-for-Disease-Control...Center for Disease Control Addresses Gun Violence
George Spicka Eight days later, DailyKos published another CDC Report: Defensive Gun Use (Part I) - The CDC Report on Gun Violence
“This article will review the findings of the Center for Disease Control report with regards to defensive gun use to better understand what we know about defensive gun use (DGU) and what we need to study further.”
“According to the report, over 100,000 Americans suffer a gunshot injury every year, and every year, over 30,000 Americans die of their gunshot injuries … Using guns, we kill ourselves and each other in a yearly slaughter of war-time proportions.”
“For this reason, and for others, many Americans conclude that gun ownership and gun use is a problem for our country and society. To these critics, gun ownership and gun use is obviously dangerous, and should be highly regulated, tightly restricted and perhaps banned altogether.
"Guns are very popular in this country, and gun enthusiasts claim that guns contribute positively to the greater social good in many ways. Chief among the benefits of gun ownership and use is safety and protection: a gun can be used defensively to prevent crime or stop a crime in progress, and guns help to protect and make safe the home and family. While admitting that guns injure and kill many, gun enthusiasts say that defensive gun use (DGU) is beneficial overall and outweighs any negative impact of guns.”
“If guns routinely cause a great deal of injury and death – and yearly statistics show that is the case – then it makes sense to reduce gun ownership and use as a way to reduce the burden of gunshot injuries and deaths. If, on the other hand, gun owners commonly use guns to thwart criminal activity, then restricting gun ownership and use will deprive the public of an important safety and protective tool."
http://www.dailykos.com/.../-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC...Defensive Gun Use (Part I) - The CDC Report on Gun Violence
“This article will review the findings of the Center for Disease Control report with regards to defensive gun use to better understand what we know about defensive gun use (DGU) and what we need to study further.”
“According to the report, over 100,000 Americans suffer a gunshot injury every year, and every year, over 30,000 Americans die of their gunshot injuries … Using guns, we kill ourselves and each other in a yearly slaughter of war-time proportions.”
“For this reason, and for others, many Americans conclude that gun ownership and gun use is a problem for our country and society. To these critics, gun ownership and gun use is obviously dangerous, and should be highly regulated, tightly restricted and perhaps banned altogether.
"Guns are very popular in this country, and gun enthusiasts claim that guns contribute positively to the greater social good in many ways. Chief among the benefits of gun ownership and use is safety and protection: a gun can be used defensively to prevent crime or stop a crime in progress, and guns help to protect and make safe the home and family. While admitting that guns injure and kill many, gun enthusiasts say that defensive gun use (DGU) is beneficial overall and outweighs any negative impact of guns.”
“If guns routinely cause a great deal of injury and death – and yearly statistics show that is the case – then it makes sense to reduce gun ownership and use as a way to reduce the burden of gunshot injuries and deaths. If, on the other hand, gun owners commonly use guns to thwart criminal activity, then restricting gun ownership and use will deprive the public of an important safety and protective tool."
http://www.dailykos.com/.../-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC...Defensive Gun Use (Part I) - The CDC Report on Gun Violence
George Spicka “ … not a credible source for anything except fear and hysteria."
It should be noted that there is a distinct difference between the scientifically motivated DailyKos reports, and the bias infused “reporting” of Evan DeFilippis.
With DailyKos, there is no innuendo or blame. But with DeFilippis it’s:
“Unfortunately, Dana Loesch's sentiment is shared by many gun advocates.”
“In spite of this, LaPierre's proposed solution to gun violence is to "contact every U.S. Attorney and ask them to bring at least 10 cases per month against drug dealers, gang members and other violent felons caught illegally possessing firearms." (Why on earth would DeFilppis consider this to be a bad idea?)
“'Gun advocates' blind focus on gangs, drugs and violent felons overlooks the larger gun problem facing America. It is irresponsible and disingenuous for some of us to brush off our staggering death toll from firearms merely as the product of gangs or even violent criminals. Recognizing America's high homicide rate for what it is -- a gun problem -- is the first step in solving it.”
That last statement is actually amusing. In the rush to “dis” gun advocates, DePhillips, by hand-picking only the information that support’s his opinion, was oblivious the CDC’s gist that the gun issue is complicated and lacking in reliable data. In his effort to implicate gun advocates, he instead shows that he is an unreliable source of information
Rather then the seemingly endless blame that goes on between pro-gun and anti-gun advocates, more progress would be made, if instead, emotionally immature individuals could be made to understand how much damage they cause. The problem of course, is that like buzzards gathering in a field, they all share the same outlook. To rise above the tendrils of peer-pressure into an attitude of independence and objectivity takes a great deal of determination, plus the will to endure the personal attacks that will follow.
"In politics, shared hatreds are almost always the basis of friendships."
― Alexis de Tocqueville
It should be noted that there is a distinct difference between the scientifically motivated DailyKos reports, and the bias infused “reporting” of Evan DeFilippis.
With DailyKos, there is no innuendo or blame. But with DeFilippis it’s:
“Unfortunately, Dana Loesch's sentiment is shared by many gun advocates.”
“In spite of this, LaPierre's proposed solution to gun violence is to "contact every U.S. Attorney and ask them to bring at least 10 cases per month against drug dealers, gang members and other violent felons caught illegally possessing firearms." (Why on earth would DeFilppis consider this to be a bad idea?)
“'Gun advocates' blind focus on gangs, drugs and violent felons overlooks the larger gun problem facing America. It is irresponsible and disingenuous for some of us to brush off our staggering death toll from firearms merely as the product of gangs or even violent criminals. Recognizing America's high homicide rate for what it is -- a gun problem -- is the first step in solving it.”
That last statement is actually amusing. In the rush to “dis” gun advocates, DePhillips, by hand-picking only the information that support’s his opinion, was oblivious the CDC’s gist that the gun issue is complicated and lacking in reliable data. In his effort to implicate gun advocates, he instead shows that he is an unreliable source of information
Rather then the seemingly endless blame that goes on between pro-gun and anti-gun advocates, more progress would be made, if instead, emotionally immature individuals could be made to understand how much damage they cause. The problem of course, is that like buzzards gathering in a field, they all share the same outlook. To rise above the tendrils of peer-pressure into an attitude of independence and objectivity takes a great deal of determination, plus the will to endure the personal attacks that will follow.
"In politics, shared hatreds are almost always the basis of friendships."
― Alexis de Tocqueville